Frightening or Unpleasant Near-Death Experiences

17 Jan

I am currently preparing a paper about frightening near-death experiences to present at a forthcoming conference. (I’ll post a future comment with links to the conference over the next few days). I am very interested in the frightening NDEs as well as the pleasant NDEs. However, there is far less information about the frightening NDEs so I am looking for people who have specifically experienced a frightening NDE.

I have a particular interest in the frightening NDEs because of a patient I encountered when I was a student nurse. I also came across two people who experienced a frightening NDE during the course of my prospective hospital research. I think it is of great importance that we know more about the frightening experiences so that we can give greater support to those who experience them.

Have you experienced a frightening NDE or do you know of someone who has experienced a frightening NDE? I would love to hear from you and learn more about your experience. I understand that these are highly sensitive experiences so you can contact me privately at drpennysartori@yahoo.co.uk rather than publicly through the blog.

I will be very grateful to anyone who feels able to share their experience with me.

 

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63 Responses to “Frightening or Unpleasant Near-Death Experiences”

  1. Rabbitdawg January 18, 2013 at 12:57 am #

    Penny, It’s so good to see a professional researcher approaching this subject. I frequently like to point out that distressing/hellish near death experiences are the red-headed stepchild of the NDE community. Everybody knows about them, but nobody seems to want to talk about them. When they do, too often it’s in hushed or dismissive tones. Worse, other folks just try to *explain* them away.

    Distressing NDE’s are an important part of the overall body of experiences, and distressed experiencer’s report that their experiences are as “realer than real” as the transcendent ones.
    Ignoring them is not only living in denial, it isolates a whole group of people who are already living in a personal isolated hell. Let’s face it, it’s one thing to tell the world that you died and saw the Light, but who wants to tell the world they died and went to hell? Distressed experiencers live in a dark world where they have lost all hope for living, yet they d*mn sure don’t want to die. It’s a weird kind of depression where even suicide isn’t an option.
    There’s lots of support out there for joyous experiencers, but distressed NDR’s face tacit denial in too many NDE circles.

    Thank you. I hope your study opens some doors and helps shine a spotlight on this under-studied subject.
    Nancy Evans-Bush can’t do all the work.

    • Dr Penny Sartori January 19, 2013 at 11:51 am #

      Hi and thank you for your comment and encouragement. I totally agree with you. The frightening NDEs have been ignored for far too long by most researchers. The most prominent researcher in this area is Nancy Evans-Bush who, thankfully, continues to give attention to these little understood NDEs.

      About 23 years ago, as a student nurse, I encountered a dying patient who was terrified of dying. On reflection, having studied NDEs, it seems likely that she experienced a distressing NDE a few years previously when she had undergone a cardiac arrest. It was one of those cases that stuck in my mind because it was so disturbing.

      There are also many distressing spiritual experiences that are housed in the archives of the Alister Hardy Society for the Study of Spiritual Experience at Lampeter University in Wales. Also the work of Stanislav Grof has shown both pleasant and distressing aspects of spiritual experiences. To ignore disressing NDEs is not the answer.

      Your comment is most helpful as it reiterates just how important it is to pay more attention to the frightening NDEs.

    • Sheila February 13, 2013 at 2:26 am #

      Since my hellish near death experience 11 years ago i am terrified of death. The angels and jesus christ warned me that if i had hysterectomy instead of bleeding to death i would pay for it very dearly indeed and would upon now death spend eternity being tortured in the lake of fire and brimstone. since then i have been in constant fear and i have never had any peace.

    • Sheila February 13, 2013 at 4:14 am #

      So true. No one wants to hear about the awful near death experiences. So many times i have reached out to people for help with processing my bad one only to be brushed off as trying to be funny. Other people condemned me saying “that’s because you are so negative” and “you ask for it by too much doom and gloom” and “you need to give out more love and light to the universe”. Not at all helpful. I’ve walked a very isolated lonely path until i found this forum.

      • Dr Penny Sartori February 13, 2013 at 11:46 am #

        Hi Sheila, thank you for these comments. Your insights are very helpful to me in gaining a greater understanding of these experiences.

    • Sheila August 19, 2013 at 3:47 am #

      So true. Every time I’ve reached out for help with processing my terrifying nde, I’ve faced judgment and condemnation and had my nose rubbed in it

      • Dr Penny Sartori August 19, 2013 at 5:14 pm #

        Hi Sheila, I am so sorry that you have had such a difficult time with processing such a terrifying experience. Please don’t feel judged, I’m sure many followers of the blog feel very supportive towards you. It may be useful for you to read Nancy Evans Bush’s latest book called Dancing Past the Dark. Nancy herself has had a frightening NDE and it took her many, many years to process it. There is also anothe book by Dr Barbara Rommer called Blessings in Disguise which also may be of help.

  2. Nancy Evans Bush January 18, 2013 at 7:44 pm #

    Penny, I’m so glad to know you’re taking a look at these little-known NDEs. Are you hoping to limit your respondents to the UK?
    Best of luck with this much-needed project!

    • Dr Penny Sartori January 19, 2013 at 12:01 pm #

      Hi Nancy, thank you so much for your encouragement. I’d be happy to hear from anyone from all over the world who has had a distressing NDE. The more I can learn, from experiencers, the better.

      The distressing NDEs can no longer be dismissed. I came across two patients in my prospective hospital study and there was nothing confusional about their experiences, they were just a real to them as the pleasant NDEs. (The full details are in my book “The Near-Death Experiences of Hospitalized Intensive Care Patients: A Five Year Clinical Study” published by The Edwin Mellen Press 2008).

      Another reason to understand more about the frightening experiences was witnessing a patient have a very distressing death when I was a student nurse (back in 1990). It is highly likely that the lady had experienced a distressing NDE when she’d had a cardiac arrest a few years previously. It was one of those cases that I’ll never forget because there was nothing I could say or do to help ease the lady’s terror.

      I’ll be in touch for some advice when I get down to writing this paper.

      • Dr Carl Bergfors January 20, 2013 at 11:11 am #

        Dear Penny,
        I am working as a psychiatrist and over the years I have met many sick people, many disturbed people and a lot of normal people.
        Some have told me that they can feel a prescence of something evil. Some have awakened in terror seeing an entity sittning at their bedside. It has happened that they have been physically attacked by that entity. A few feel that those malignant beeings they deal with have been bad people when they were on this side and go on like that because they cannot yet se an alternative. I am talking about normal people in these cases. Some of them have lived in haunted houses, some have dead and bad relatives
        I have a theory that maybe these tormented souls can for some reasons be attached to people with bad NDE:s and if you have a bad NDE I think that you are very vulnerable to their influences. When you are in that transitional state they take their chance of making you feel, see, hear tings that are not true but only makings of their malignant thoughts.
        What do think Penny?

        Carl

      • Dr Penny Sartori January 20, 2013 at 3:48 pm #

        Hi Carl, thanks for your input on this. You’ve made a very interesting suggestion. In fact, a friend of mine also had an encounter with what she described as an evil presence in a house that she rented. She frequently heard a deep guttaral roaring associated with an evil presence. It didn’t really bother her much initially but one night she had such a fright that she moved out and wouldn’t go back to the house alone.

        It is really difficult for me to comment on your theory at this point as I don’t feel I have enough information on the frightening NDEs. Maybe there are people who have had a frightening NDE reading this and maybe they can give you a better answer.

        As our current science denies the existence of souls most people would deny this theory. However, what you suggest seems plausible. Its almost as if during an altered state of consciousness other frequencies can be tuned into which can influence the experience. I think our science has to expand in order to have a greater understanding of these experiences and it would be great to explore your theory in more depth. I will certainly keep it in mind as I progress with my data collection. Thank you for your helpful comment.

  3. WendyC January 19, 2013 at 8:48 pm #

    Hi Penny- Quick-query: have you published any of your PhD research in the peer-reviewed nursing research journals? (not Nursing Times or Standard)

    • Dr Penny Sartori January 20, 2013 at 3:36 pm #

      Hi Wendy,
      I still haven’t got around to publishing in any peer-reviewed nursing journals. To be honest with you when I finished my PhD I was completely burned out. To have that level of intensity and focus continuously for 8 years on top of working in ITU just exhausted me. In fact it took me five years to really get over it. I published my thesis as an academic monograph in 2008 and planned on publishing about 4 or 5 articles in journals and every time I went to start writing I just sat there staring at a blank screen. I gave myself a break and then planned on publishing but my nan got sick and I nursed her at home until she died which was a big distraction.

      Mmm… you’ve made me think now. Maybe if I had done my PhD specifically for a qualification or to further my career I would have pushed myself that little but more past the point of exhaustion. I still have a few ideas for articles that I’d like to publish so your comment has been really useful and hopeully it will be the motivation I need – thank you.

  4. Michael Duggan January 21, 2013 at 7:47 am #

    Any thoughts on the recent update from the AWARE study on the Human Consciousness Project website?

    • Dr Penny Sartori January 21, 2013 at 5:40 pm #

      Hi Michael, I just had a quick look at the Human Consciousness Project website. Are you referring to the BRAIN -1 project involvement? This was planned from the beginning of the AWARE study although at the time it wasn’t called the BRAIN -1 project. The AWARE project was going to trial a new device for measuring oxygen levels that could be put on the patient as soon as they had a cardiac arrest and it was also going to examine brain physiology etc.

      I think there will be some really interesting data collected during the whole of the AWARE and BRAIN -1 project. It is a huge project and I’m sure there will be lots of information gathered that will help to further the understanding of consciousness.

  5. Kinseher Richard January 22, 2013 at 5:26 am #

    Some frightening experiences might come from infrasound phenomenons – and should not be mixed up with NDEs.
    With Wikipedia you can find [Vic Tandy] who discovered this effect in Coventry. Since then, some experiments were made, to show that infrasound and draught (especially when cold air is involved) can create unpleasant feelings, or the impression that somebody/something indescribable might be around a person. This is one reason why you find ghosts mostly in old (draughty) buildings. (And – in 18th/19th century, some castle-owners fixed hidden aeolian-harps in some rooms: then, when for a guided tour with tourists a door was opend, the draught created a mysterious sound somewhere in the building.)

    • Dr Penny Sartori January 22, 2013 at 6:53 pm #

      Hi Richard, thank you for your comment. Yes, I agree some frightening experiences are very different from NDEs.

      Thanks for the information on Vic Tandy, it is very intersting.

  6. Venugopal January 22, 2013 at 5:44 am #

    I hope you have read already the book : “Proof of Heaven” by Dr.Eben Alexander. He is a renowned Neurosurgeon and an atheist. He never had earlier given credence to the NDE reports read by him. He had read about Dr.Moody’s “Life after life” but since as a neuro surgeon, he knew that Cardiac Dead is not the same as brain dead and hence never bothered to read the book. He suggests, after his NDE, that Sceptics should first invest time and effort instead of rejecting some thing at face value. If you have not read the book, please do not read any reviews. This will help you experience the book fully. When he was planning to write a book on his own NDE, his son advised him not to read any books or reports on NDE. So that he will be able to write unbiased. That was a very wise advise and the good doctor followed it.
    I wish you all success in your future ventures of publishing. If every body in the world accepts that they are more than their body mind complexes, and are truly spiritual beings, much of the human made suffering will disappear from the face of the earth. I will also humbly suggest that people who are interested in NDE can join the nde@yahoogroups.com. There are around 2300 members many of them NDE experiencers.
    Regards
    vg

    • Dr Penny Sartori January 22, 2013 at 7:02 pm #

      Hi vg, thank you for your comment. Yes, I’ve read Dr Alexander’s book – I’ve posted a previous comment on this blog that initiated a lot of interesting comments. I think it is so important that Dr Alexander has reported his NDE as I have spoken to a few doctors who have also experienced a NDE but they are very reluctant to talk to anyone about it. In fact, I will be meeting up with Dr Alexander again in a few weeks when we will both be speaking at the same conference on NDEs.

      I really like your comment if every body in the world accepts that they are more than their body mind complexes, and are truly spiritual beings, much of the human made suffering will disappear from the face of the earth. This is so true and very wise. Would you mind if I quote you and use this quote in a lecture I will be giving in a few weeks time?

      Thank you for mentioning the NDE group, I’m sure many followers of the blog will also be interested.

      • Venugopal January 24, 2013 at 7:19 am #

        Dear Penny,
        You can quote me. I will feel honoured. I wish you write some popular books about NDE, so that more and more people come to know about it. If I tell in public that I had an NDE, some people will tell that I am out of my mind. I know a good lady who had an NDE and talked freely about it. Her own daughter disowned her for this telling that the mother is addicted to some drug and that is why she is talking like this. Poor woman had committed suicide. Sad story.
        Regards
        vg

      • Dr Penny Sartori January 24, 2013 at 6:55 pm #

        Hi Vg, thank you for your permission to quote you. I have written a popular book about NDEs – it is about how important it is that we acknowledge these experiences and how we can learn so much from people who have had a NDE. There is such a positive message behind NDEs and this is what I want to convey. The book will be published in February 2014.

        Oh that is such a sad story about the lady you knew. Lets hope that in future more people will feel supported when they talk about their NDE rather than feeling ostracised.

  7. MitiL January 22, 2013 at 2:48 pm #

    Very interesting. I think many NDErs who have negative experiences probably forget them very soon, maybe even before they come to consciousness.

    By the way Penny, have you seen this video? What can you say?
    http://nhneneardeath.ning.com/video/beyond-the-light

    • Dr Penny Sartori January 22, 2013 at 7:08 pm #

      Hi Miti, thank you for your comment. Yes, there is a possibility that some people forget frightening NDEs when they regain consciousness. It has also been suggested that some frightening NDEs are so terrifying that they are repressed so there is no conscious recall of them. They interest me a great deal because they are just as real as the pleasant NDEs but leave the experiencer with some really bad after effects.

      Thank you for the weblink. What a really wonderful video. It really made me so enthusiastic to hear about Professor Norma Bowe’s course called Death and Perspective and that there is a 3 year waiting list for it – amazing. I’ve been trying to run a similar course where I live but it is really slow starting off so to see Professor Bowe’s class being so successful really has lifted my spirits!

      • MitiL January 23, 2013 at 1:27 pm #

        And what you think about that woman with OCD, who reported 12-digit number??? IMHO, if this case is corroborated and confirmed, it would be among the strongest, nearly airtight ones. Though still not like any experimental data for scientists, alas 😦
        R. Perry said he knew the investigator.

      • Dr Penny Sartori January 23, 2013 at 3:47 pm #

        I thought the case with the 12 digit number was fascinating. It would be good if it could be corroborated and written up and published. There are many nurses and doctors out there who could also tell of similar experiences that patients have reported to them. These cases, when put together cumulatively, really do support the suggestion that the current belief that consciousness is a by-product of the brain is seriously flawed and that our understanding of consciousness needs to be revised and expanded.

  8. Stuart January 23, 2013 at 11:46 pm #

    Is there any information online or otherwise (links etc) to the 12 digit case?
    Thanks

    • Dr Penny Sartori January 24, 2013 at 6:51 pm #

      Hi Stuart, I haven’t come across any more information on this case but I’ll try to find out some more.

  9. Kinseher Richard January 25, 2013 at 9:52 am #

    With Google [From the Bible to the Lab: Stanford scholar decodes the near-death experience] a report about a study of Prof. Laura Wittman can be found. She states, that NDEs have an individual cultural background = culture is the result of an individual memory. Therefore pleasant and unpleasant NDEs come from our memory.

    • Dr Penny Sartori January 25, 2013 at 2:58 pm #

      Hi Kineseher, thank you for bringing this to my attention. I just Googled the reference and read the article and found it very interesting. Prof Whittman has done some very interesting work which is a welcome addition to the NDE literature.

      She makes a very good point about people currently reporting the life review as watching a speeded up film whereas such reports were not present in literary or medical accounts reported at the turn of the 19th century. However, I also think that how people interpret what they experience is heavily influenced by current means of explanation so today people describe the life review as watching a speeded up film whereas in the early 19th century then naturally the reports were very different as there were nothing like ‘speeded up films’ to compare it to.

      I agree that NDEs are influenced by both culture and time in history as Carol Zaleski’s work has shown. However, NDEs are a highly complex phenomenon and its not as simple as what is reported being merely something being in the memory. I think we also need to consider Jung’s theory or archetypes and the collective unconscious. One example that springs to mind is that of Nancy Evans Bush who had a frightening NDE. During her experience she recalled seeing a black and white disk clicking back and forth and she was really distressed by this and she had no idea of what this disk was. It was many years after her NDE that she sat down in a friend’s house and noticed a book on the table. She picked up the book and instantly recognised the symbol on the front cover as being the disk she had seen in her NDE. This was the Yin Yang symbol and she had never seen the symbol prior to her NDE.

  10. Kinseher Richard January 26, 2013 at 4:29 am #

    With Wikipedia [reincarnation research] and [cryptomnesia] you can find hints, that/why we have old knowledge in our memory, of whom we do not now.
    These can be experiences form the early childhood.
    Here is a possibility to explain, why the Yin Yang symbol influenced the memory of the lady.

    • Dr Penny Sartori January 28, 2013 at 12:08 pm #

      Hi Kinseher, thank you for this. There are some very interesting theories, I agree. With regards to Nancy seeing the Yin Yang, she believes that she had never seen it in her life before. Her NDE occurred approximately 40 years ago (if I recall correctly) and the Yin and Yang symbol was not commonly depicted at the time or prior to it.

      I also came across someone who had a childhood NDE and saw a figure she did not recognise and had no concept of at her young age. It was many years later that she recognised the figure as a God from Eastern religions whom she had never been exposed to before. So its quite difficult to draw firm conclusions until there is more research.

  11. Kinseher Richard January 26, 2013 at 6:13 pm #

    Additional info to Prof. Wittman:
    She wrote, that an increasing number of NDE-tunnel experiences is reported since the 1950s. I think, the reason for this might be in improvement with resuscitation methods/equipment since those years. See for the history of [cardiopulmonary resuscitation] in Wikipedia.

    • Dr Penny Sartori January 28, 2013 at 12:15 pm #

      Hi Kinseher, it could also be suggested that the tunnel experience has been reported increasingly since the 1950’s because since the time of the industrial revolution tunnels are a part of almost everyone’s life – in Western society in particular. I think it was Professor Alan Kellehear who made such a point when considering that tunnels are predominantly reported in Western NDEs. Everywhere in the Western environment are tunnel like structures such as big chimney stacks etc. It may not be that the NDE is different but the way it is interpreted is influenced by culture and historical period etc.

  12. Tony January 28, 2013 at 11:58 pm #

    I am trying to understand the difference with what is recalled and what is subjectively reported in all these near death experiences. When someone recounts their experience, they may elaborate so that it fits in with whatever cultural bias they may already have. However is it possible to recall and report EXACTLY what was experienced? For example, some near death experiencers recall a Jesus like figure – yet they say that the being never said he/she was Jesus. He just looked like him and thus he/she just felt it must be him. Such elaborations to me make sense and help me accept the reality of the experience. However, when the experiencer says the being “said” he was Jesus (again assuming he/she is not elaborating or putting words in the mouth) then I start to feel concerned of the reality of the experience because we know that religious figures of all types appear (not just the christian characters). For me, it makes me feel that in the latter, perhaps the beings in the vision are “putting on a show” for the experiencer (for whatever intentions they may have). We know that in the positive NDE’s, a being may appear to comfort the individual with “you’ll be ok”, “all is right”, “you are loved”. Certainly makes sense if you wish to help the individual through the experience (with good intentions). So why the scary imagery?

    • Dr Penny Sartori March 30, 2013 at 2:51 pm #

      Hi Tony, I’ve just been on the blog and found this comment for some reason found its way into the spam folder so I’m sorry for the delayed resonse.

      This is a very good question. In many cases I’ve come across the experiencer reported intuitively knowing the figure was Jesus rather than being told by the figure that it was Jesus. What people tend to ‘see’ during their NDE appears to be influenced by images that have surrounded them as they were growing up hence why there are so many cultural differences. I think its all down to individual interpretation of such a unique and intense experience.

  13. Sheila February 11, 2013 at 10:40 am #

    I read on internet that lots of horrible people have heavenly near death experiences. And lots of nice people have horrible ones. I recently read about one girl who was abused by her father than her husband and then her adult son. She tried to commit suicide. Instead of going to heaven she went to a place of torment where god told her that it was planned that she suffer what she had and that suiciding would only increase her torment. She ended up back in her body. My near death experience was eleven years ago prior to hysterectomy. I was surrounded by many legions of angels who all pointed swords at me and said that even though i needed the operation,i had no right to as i was the chosen one to be a blood sacrifice for jesus christ. Jesus christ then said i had no right to have the operation as i was am unimportant member of society. Hmm. Try telling that to Mordred, my neighbour’s cat who turned 5 back on october 13. I’m so glad i rebelled against jesus christ and the angels and had my hysterectomy

    • Dr Penny Sartori February 11, 2013 at 1:47 pm #

      Hi Sheila, thank you so much for sharing this with the blog. Yes, what you read regarding horrible people having heavenly NDEs and nice people having frightening experiences is correct.

      I think everyone is an important member of society so it must be awful for you to have suffered such a frightening experience. It is very important to me that we have a greater understanding of these frightening experiences.

  14. Dr Penny Sartori February 13, 2013 at 11:44 am #

    Hi Sheila, thank you for sharing that with the blog. You seem to be going through a very traumatic time and there seem to be many things going on in your life. Currently the frightening NDEs are not so well understood which is why it is so important to undertake more research in this area.

    Have you been able to share your experience with anyone else? Maybe it would be helpful to talk to your family doctor or a qualified therapist as this seems like a huge burden for you to deal with alone. Your experience highlights to me the need for a much greater understanding of these experiences. I will try my best to get some more information that may help.

  15. sheila February 23, 2013 at 12:51 am #

    Penny, my full email address was accidentally published on this forum as i accidentally typed my email address into the name field. Any chance my email address can be removed from the board.

    • Dr Penny Sartori February 23, 2013 at 4:51 pm #

      Hi Sheila, no problem. I’ve just updated your comments and removed your email address. I think I have done this correctly (I’m not very good with computer technology!), let me know if it still appears and I will delete the whole comment.

      • sheila February 24, 2013 at 4:21 am #

        As said before my full email address is published on my post for 12 february. Might pay to remove whole comment.

        Have you read “ten thousand sorrows” i can’t remember the name of the author. Her birth mother was murdered by her own brother. The daughter was fostered out to hardline american christians. The poor girl had horrendous spiritual experiences nearly every night where she was attacked by beings. Makes me wonder if fundamentalism is a very big cause of frightening near death experiences.

        I had a friend once who was brought up hardline fundamentalist christian. I don’t know if she had spiritual experiences,but she went off her rocker and ended up lighting a fire which ended up being a major bush fire.

      • Dr Penny Sartori February 24, 2013 at 11:58 am #

        Hi Sheila, I just removed your email address from the comment. I haven’t read Ten Thousand Sorrows but it sounds very interesting.

        At the moment there is not enough information on the frightening NDEs to draw any firm conclusions about why some people experience them instead of the pleasant NDEs. I would like to research the frightening experiences in greater depth so I will keep you posted if I get any further information.

  16. Sheila February 24, 2013 at 10:15 pm #

    My full email address is still in my post of 12 february. Might pay to remove whole comment

    • Dr Penny Sartori February 25, 2013 at 4:53 pm #

      Hi Sheila, I’ve removed the comment

      • sheila February 26, 2013 at 10:37 pm #

        One of yr earlier bloggers said something about evil entities. Mordred,my neighbour’s cat, often sees evil entities next to me. I don’t know what to do to get rid of them. I’ve demanded them to leave but they won’t and Mordred keeps objecting very vocally indeed. I do know a psychic but she has refused to help me, argument being, it’s my fault,i’m too negative. I’ve tried to force her to help me by sending the negative entities to her, hoping she’ll just send them to the light and hoping she won’t know it’s me sending them to her. It is true though. All us people who’ve had frightening near death experiences do seem to have some post of “disability” that makes us attract all these negative and dangerous entities. Penny, is there any chance you could bring this up at the conference in france. Please keep us all posted.

      • Dr Penny Sartori February 27, 2013 at 11:55 am #

        Thanks for this Sheila, I’ll try to bring this up at the conference.

  17. Sheila April 6, 2013 at 1:24 am #

    Last week i read a blog that said frightening near death experiences are not literal but symbolic. They are symbolic of what’ll happen in this life, not the next. I now am convinced that all those angels i saw who were pointing flaming swords at me with warnings that having hysterectomy instead of bleeding to death would condemn of to eternal torture in the lake of fire and brimstone was PURELY SYMBOLIC of my future in THIS LIFE. The angels were symbolic of all of my devoutly christian brothers and sisters-in-law,my devoutly christian aunts and uncles and cousins,and devoutly christian family friends and the devoutly christian doctor at the local medical centre- all of whom believe hysterectomy to be a very evil sin which will be punished by torture in the lake of fire and brimstone for eternity. The local doctor actually punished me for having hysterectomy by assaulting my elderly parents with forced injection of repeat tetanus vaccine. My devoutly christian relatives put him up to it to punish me. Point is i now see that my visions in my near death experience was simply a warning of what would happen to me in this life if i chose life instead of death. Because i’m a rebel, i’m glad i chose life

    • Dr Penny Sartori April 6, 2013 at 4:16 pm #

      Hi Sheila, yes I agree there is a lot of symbolism in NDEs. You seem to have given your experience a great deal of thought and have some interesting insights. It sounds as if you have had a very difficult few years. It is nice to hear that you chose life – it reflects back to you how strong you have been in coping with all this.

    • brian September 29, 2013 at 5:38 am #

      Sheila, try ignoring your supposed christian rellies/friends. Try reading the bible yourself and ask God to give you revelation and speakto you thru his word. Bible says satan can imitate an angel of light and i believe thatis what he did to keep you from finding the real truth hidden in Gods word.

  18. Pilar Martinez April 14, 2013 at 6:12 pm #

    Muy bueno. Me gusta mucho el modo en que se expone. Un abrazo!

  19. Anna June 21, 2013 at 11:19 pm #

    I somehow landed on your blog after reading about near death experiences on the web. I was particularly drawn to accounts of the afterlife by two people who had rather traumatising near death experiences within the last 40 years. They have been spoken about quite widely in certain circles, and have gained a certain fame, especially a Rev Howard Storm. I am fairly religious myself and do believe in God, but they certainly put a near death experiences in a spiritual and religious context. You might like to contact these people to add to your research, because Howard Storm (website http://www.howardstorm.com) was at one time an avowed atheist and for his sins he was sent to a sort of purgatory. He was in Paris in 1985 at some point and was rushed to hospital with peritonitus. He actually died in his hospital bed and was lead by what can only be described as demons to hell and was tormented really badly by them. But was somehow spared this by Jesus and God and told quite a lot of quite startling revelations about God, heaven and hell and so forth. (He has written a book: My Descent into Death, which is available on amazon.co.uk) I think scientists in general, and a lot of people are largely unaware of the afterlife and what can actually earn you a place in hell or purgatory. He is convinced that such places are very real, and I am very much persuaded by his arguments. Suicide is one such sin that reportedly lead people to hell, and another US citizen, Angie Fenimore, attempted suicide in 1991, and she too experienced what can only be described as hell or purgatory. She has written a book Beyond the Darkness (also available on amazon) and I’m sure she would be an interesting person to talk further about this subject. You’d probably need to contact her through her publishers. She does not seem to have her own personal website.

    • Dr Penny Sartori June 22, 2013 at 3:15 pm #

      HI Anna, thank you for your helpful comment. I agree these are both very interesting cases. I was particularly struck by Rev Howard Storm’s experience as it had such a profound effect on him. To be an atheist and then train in the ministry after having an NDE really highlights just how powerful an effects that NDEs can have on people.

  20. lin July 12, 2013 at 1:51 pm #

    Dear Penny and all

    I have not had a near death experience but based on all the ‘positive’ experiences I have read about, believe it or not, I wish I could have had one so that the Higher Powers above could tell me what I really am here for! I found your site because I have been interested in NDEs for a long time, and I remember that I had read a book a long time ago, before the internet came where the author had talked about some people having negative experiences.

    Anyway, for those who have been having ‘entities’ or restless spirits disturbing them, you may want to look up this site
    http://www.spiritualresearchfoundation.org/spiritualresearch/spiritualscience/afterdeath/tothelight

    and you can also do a word search on this site on entities etc that will help you with ideas on how to get them to leave etc

    • Dr Penny Sartori July 15, 2013 at 10:22 am #

      Hi Lin, thank you for your comment and for the link, it is very helpful. NDEs are a fascinating subject to study.

    • akvenugopal October 7, 2013 at 9:40 am #

      There is a yahoo group of NDE experiencers. Around 2300 members. Many are NDErs. http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/nde/info

      • Dr Penny Sartori October 7, 2013 at 9:49 am #

        Thank you for this, I’m sure this group will be of interest to the followers of the blog.

  21. Maureen January 27, 2014 at 5:09 pm #

    great care must be taken not to confuse religious fears from N.D.E.’s we are spirit within a material frame nothing can harm us if we are strong and believe in ourselves keep focused on Light and Love it always wins! Draw in the Energy of Love it is a reality….
    overcoming any ‘evil’ experiences they will disippate like smoke!
    nothing to fear but fear itself.

  22. peniel February 4, 2014 at 4:37 pm #

    i noticed that the christian communities got thousands of heaven and hell testimonies wich are prety scary there are dismissed by many as propaganda

    • Dr Penny Sartori February 11, 2014 at 3:55 pm #

      Hi Peniel, thank you for your comment. Yes some people’s experiences have been dismissed but this doesn’t help the person who has had such a traumatic experience. I think it is important to try to find a deeper understanding of these distressing experiences so that people can be better supported when they are recovering from this.

  23. Lisa May 19, 2014 at 4:56 am #

    Hi Penny. I sent you a link to my video of what Nancy Clark said was a Shared NDE. I didn’t know it at the time I recorded the video. And I am still not so sure what it really was. I am just searching for answers as to what I experienced. Here is the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAuZ_pYDvrY

    • Dr Penny Sartori July 30, 2014 at 1:16 pm #

      Hi Lisa,

      Thank you for your video link, I’m sure the followers of the blog will be as interested in your experience as I am. I agree with Nancy that this is a Shared Death Experience. What makes yours particularly interesting is that this isn’t typical of the pleasant type of experiences but has more of a distressing component as we discussed in our email conversation.

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